Date: 6/17/2002
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.......................A READER'S COMMENT
Up until I saw your site, I had a very low opinion of people from the Middle East, however your site made me realize that its not the people from the Middle East that are the problem, but rather the Ideologies behind Islam which guides many of them. After having read several of the essays with quotes from the Koran, I can now see why they behave the way they do here in Australia.
The big problem, as you make clear on your site is how to reason with these people without having to worry about fearing for your life?. Of the Middle Eastern Muslims that I have been in contact with in Australia, many are not very well educated, and some can become quite agitated when questioning their beliefs.
When you start with misguided presuppositions in an argument, which cant be questioned and therefore negated, it is difficult to have a logical argument. This is not only a peculiarity with people who believe in Islam but I have seen similar behaviour with Jehovah Witnesses. It is good to know that there are people like your self, as it gives hope to many, that possibly one day we can have a world where we all live in peace and harmony.
I think that the biggest reason why there has been so much progress in the West, is that we stopped religion ruling our every day life a long long time ago, whilst the Islamic world continues to cling onto a piece of archaic literature which has led them to where they are now. I only wish that more Muslims would take a leaf out of your book and open up their minds to question some of the fundamental beliefs in the Koran.
..................Keep up the good work.
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......................Why I Left Islam
........................By Ali Sina
I am often asked, Why I left Islam?. As absurd as it may be, some Muslims cannot even allow themselves to think that leaving Islam is an option, or even possible.
They rather think that those who leave Islam are paid Jewish agents than accept the fact that people have freedom to think and some may even think that Islam is not for them. The following are my reasons.
Not until few years ago I used to think that my faith in Islam was not based on blind imitation but rather was the result of years of investigation and research. The fact that I had read a lot of books on Islam, written by people whose thoughts I approved of and delving into philosophies that were within my comfort zone, emphasized my conviction that I had found the truth. All my bias research confirmed my faith. Just like other Muslims I used to believe that to learn about anything one has to go to the source. Of course the source of Islam is Quran and the books written by Muslim scholars.
Therefore, I felt no need to look elsewhere in order to find the truth, as I was convinced that I have already found it. As Muslims say “Talabe ilm ba’d az wossule ma’loom mazmoom”. The search of knowledge after gaining it is foolish
Of course, this is a foolish idea. What if we want to learn the truth about one of these dangerous cults? Is it enough to depend only on what the cult leader and his deluded followers say? Wouldn’t it be prudent to widen our research and find out what other people have to say about them? Going to the source makes sense only in scientific matters, because scientists are not “believers”. They do not say something because they have blind faith. Scientists make a critical analysis of the evidence. It is very much different from religious approach that is based entirely on faith and belief.
I suppose it was my acquaintance with the western humanistic values that made me more sensitive and whet my appetite for democracy, freethinking, human rights, equality, etc. It was then that when I read again Quran I came across injunctions that were not al par with my newfound humanistic values, I was distressed and felt very uncomfortable to read teachings like these.
......................Q.3:90
”But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith,- never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have gone astray”.
...................... Q.16: 106
”Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.”
One may think that the dreadful penalty mentioned here pertains to the next world. But Muhammad made sure that these people received their penalty in this world as well. See the following:
..........Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 577:
I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas.
They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection."
........Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 63, Number 260:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
.............Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 63, Number 261:
Eight men of the tribe of 'Ukil came to the Prophet and then they found the climate of Medina unsuitable for them. So, they said, "O Allah's Apostle! Provide us with some milk."
Allah's Apostle said, "I recommend that you should join the herd of camels." So they went and drank the urine and the milk of the camels (as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels, and they became unbelievers after they were Muslims.
When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off.
Then he ordered for nails, which were heated and passed over their eyes, and they were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died.
And from Partial Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4339
................Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) Said: The blood of a Muslim man who testifies that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle should not lawfully be shed except only for one of three reasons: a man who committed fornication after marriage, in which case he should be stoned; one who goes forth to fight with Allah and His Apostle, in which case he should be killed or crucified or exiled from the land; or one who commits murder for which he is killed.
The following is very disturbing. I dare to say any man who read it and is not taken aback with disgust has a long way to go to become a human.
................ Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4348
....................”Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:
A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit.
One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.
He assembled the people and said: I adjure (urge solemnly) by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.
He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.
Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood".
I felt the above story was a manifest injustice. Muhammad condoned a man killing a pregnant mother and his own unborn child just because he said that she insulted him!?
(Arabs used to sleep with their maid slaves. Quran perpetuates this tradition Q.33: 52 “It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and Allah doth watch over all things.”
Muhammad himself slept with Mariyah the maid slave of Hafsa his wife without marrying her.)
Forgiving someone for killing another human being just because he said she insulted Muhammad is unacceptable. What if that man was lying to escape punishment? What does this story say about Muhammad’s sense of Justice?
Imagine how many innocent women, were killed by their husbands during these 1400 years who escaped punishment accusing their murdered wives of blaspheming the prophet of God and this Hadith has made them get away with it.
Here is another one.
..............Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4349
...................Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:
A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.
It was not easy to read these stories and not be moved. There is no reason to believe that all these stories were fabricated. Why should believers, who have tried to depict their prophet as a compassionate man fabricate so many stories that would make him look like ruthless tyrant?
I could no more accept the brutal treatment of those who chose not to accept Islam. Faith is a personal matter. I could no more accept that the punishment of someone who criticizes any religion must be death.
........See how Muhammad dealt with the unbelievers.
............. Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4359
..................Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
The verse "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite side or exile from the land...most merciful" was revealed about polytheists. If any of them repents before they are arrested, it does not prevent from inflicting on him the prescribed punishment, which he deserves.”
How could a messenger of God maim and crucify people on the account that they resist accepting him? Could such person be really a messenger of God? Wasn’t there a better man with more moral and ethical fortitude to bear this mighty responsibility?
I could not accept the fact that Muhammad slaughtered 900 Jews in one day, after he captured them in a raid that he started. I read the following story and I shivered.
.............Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4390
..................Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:
I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.
Also I found following story shocking.
.............. Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4396
....................Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:
A thief was brought to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him). He said: Kill him. The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of Allah! Then he said: Cut off his hand. So his (right) hand was cut off. He was brought a second time and he said: Kill him. The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of Allah! Then he said: Cut off his foot. So his (left) foot was cut off.
He was brought a third time and he said: Kill him.
The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of Allah! So he said: Cut off his hand. (So his (left) hand was cut off.) He was brought a fourth time and he said: Kill him. The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of Allah! So he said: Cut off his foot. So his (right) foot was cut off. He was brought a fifth time and he said: Kill him.
So we took him away and killed him. We then dragged him and cast him into a well and threw stones over him.
Seems that Muhammad passed judgment before hearing the case. Also by cutting a thief’s hand he is left with no other means to earn his bread except begging, which would be difficult since he is defamed as a thief and so hated by people. Therefore re-offending becomes his only means of livelihood.
After living many years in the West and being received kindly by people of other religions or of no religion, who loved me and accepted me as their friend; who let me into their lives and their heart. I could no more accept the following mandates of Quran as the words of God.
..........................Q.58: 22
“You will not find any people who believe in Allaah and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allaah and His Messenger…”
......................Q.3: 118-120
“O you who believe! Take not as (your) bitaanah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends, etc.) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made clear to you the aayaat (proofs, evidence, verses), if you understand. Lo! You are the ones who love them but they love you not, and you believe in all the Scriptures [i.e., you believe in the Tawraat and the Injeel, while they disbelieve in your Book (the Qur’aan)].
And when they meet you, they say, ‘We believe.’ But when they are alone, they bite the tips of their fingers at you in rage. Say: ‘Perish in your rage. Certainly Allaah knows what is in the breasts (all the secrets).’ If a good befalls you, it grieves them, but some evil overtakes you, they rejoice at it…”
And
........................Q.5: 51
“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as awliya’ (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but awliya’ to one another…”
I also found the above statement false. The evidence is in the Bosnia and Kosovo crisis; where Christian countries, waged war against another Christian country, to liberate Muslims. Many Jewish doctors volunteered to help the Kosovar refugees, despite the fact that during the WWII, the same Albanian Muslims took side with Hitler and helped him in his holocaust against the Jews.
It became obvious to me that Muslims are accepted by all the people of the world yet our prophet wants us to hate them, to disassociate ourselves from them, to force them into our way of life or kill them, subdue them and make them pay Jizya. How silly! How pathetic! How inhumane! No wonder there is so much inexplicable hate of the West and of the Jews among Muslims. It was Muhammad who inseminated the hate and the distrust of the non-believers among his followers. How Muslims can ever integrate with other nations while holding these hateful massages of Quran as the words of God?
There are many Muslims who immigrate to non-Muslim countries and are received with open arms. Many of them get into politics and become part of the ruling elite. We suffer no discrimination in the non-Islamic countries. But see how our holy prophet tells us to deal with non-Muslims were we are the majority.
........................ Q.9: 29
”Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
I also find the following verses completely against my conscience. I love all humanity and wish everyone to be happy in this world and forgiven in the next. But my holy prophet bade me not to seek forgiveness for the unbelievers even if they are my parents and beloved ones.
(Interpretation of the meaning by Muhsin Khan):
..........................Q.9: 113
“It is not (proper) for the Prophet and those who believe to ask Allaah’s forgiveness for the mushrikeen, even though they be of kin, after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the Fire (because they died in state of disbelief).”
Quarn and Ahadith are full of outrageous verses like these that to me are clear proof that Muhammad was not a prophet, but a cult leader. To force people to denounce their own family is what cults do. He was an impostor who lied so loudly and so forcefully that the ignorant people of his time believed in him. Then the following generations echoed this lies passing it to the next.
Philosophers and writers were born in this atmosphere of lies and elaborated on it, embellished it, and made it credible. But when you go to the core of it, when you read Quran and study the Ahadith you see it is nothing but lie.
I know my words can be upsetting. But I urge you, to take control of your anger, read my other articles and mull on them.
As you see my rejection of Islam is not based on the bad deeds of Muslims but on the bad deeds of its author. All the cruelties and heinous acts of violence, perpetrated by Muslims throughout the centuries were inspired by Quran and Sunnah (the example of the prophet) That is why I condemn Islam for the bad things that Muslims do. I know any effort to humanize the Islamic community is a waste of time. The enemy is Islam and that is the target of my attacks. I do that, despite knowing that I have become the magnet of the hatred of all fanatical Muslims. There is no gain in this for me. The only reason I am so adamant against Islam is to liberate the world from the claws of this satanic cult and restore peace and prosperity, love and amity amongst the children of man.
........................Ali Sina
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MUSLIM PRESIDENT OF HINDUSTAN? NO.
UNITE KASHMIR AND GIVE PEACE AND JOY TO THE KASHMIRIS OF ALL FAITHS.
INDIA'S FAILURES IN KASHMIR.
A race so NUMEROUS like the Hindus are on the run like the ants from an anthill fleeing the floods in all directions. The Hindus have been ON THE RUN from Khyber to Chittagong and not one organisation has looked into the causes, or DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
Only it is talk and discussion, talk and argument, talk and talk. ACTION IS MISSING.
It could easily have moved POPULATIONS across India just as the Chinese did in Tibet.
We could also have EXPELLED those who love Pakistan to that land just as BOGUSdesh is doing to the Hindus all the time.
We could, of course, abrogate that TREACHEROUYS SEPARATIST Article 370 in Constitution that tells the Kashmiris, "You are very special. You are very separate. Look NO OTHER State in India enjoys its benefits like you." Why is it sacrosanct?
When this Article goes, then the INDIANS will be able to buy land and businesses in the Valley. Hindu numbers will increase. Today not even the President can buy a small shack in Srinagar because he is an INDIAN.
This calls for acute self-examination. Things will only get worse if the present BHANGI/CHRISTIAN Rashtrapatu is replaced by a MOHAMMEDAN KALAM with the Hindu eliminated.
For long the Hindu voice in Hindustan is either manipulated like the misguided writer's in question, or totally suppressed like mine and so many others on this List. Due to lack of dual nationality our input is deliberately kept minimal by the rulers of India who are under the terror of Italy & Islam. We can see this from their opposition to Sri Ram Temple in Ayodhya.
Yes, the aspiration to UNITY on the part of Kashmiris is legitimate. But then what has stopped India from recovering North Kashmir that we claim to be part of India and joining it to South?
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The next candidate for the highest office in India, Abdul Kalam, is Sonia's choice and gets the vote of President KR NARAYANAN and his EVANGELIST SPOUSE, too.
The HINDU nation (with ISLAM & MOHAMMED thrown out at that horrendous PARTITION) needs to know a lot more not only about his own impeccable love of Sanskrit and Vedas (yet he WILL NOT embrace Hinduism) but also full details of his distant cousins, parents, grandparents, and of all the social contacts he has had in the last 20 years.
If on an application for visa to visit India for three days there are 20 questions about your relatives, connections and connections, there should be at least 200 questions about the future Supreme Commander of the Indian Armed Forces unless India is a dirty rag as she was in the eyes of Bandit Jawaharlal Nehru who SURRENDERED five provinces to Islam without a single condition, without referendum.
We appeal to HINDU organisations to launch a CRUSADE FOR COMPUTERS so that the Hindu voice that has NO chance to go past the TREACHEROUS SARKARI propaganda machines, could reach the masses being brainwashed and conditioned day and night into licking the LETHAL "good Muslim" theory. We don't see any of them standing up either for MK Gandhi's AKHAND BHARAT or for the Grand Temple in Ayodhya.
We must take the question of Hindu SURVIVAL very seriously and see how much fuss is kicked up over the isolated events in Gujarat while not only the whole world but also the INDIAN MEDIA are totally silent over the ongoing EXTERMINATION of the Hindus in South Kashmir, Sindh and EAST Bengal.
It is time for the Hindus to UNITE and STAND UP to be SEEN- not only in Ayodhya and Srinagar.
The next PRESIDENT should not only be a committed HINDU but also a BRAHMIN. That will be a change from the present "BHANGI" CHRISTIAN who has put the brakes on while scheming to put Sonia KHAN, the import of BOFORS CHOR, on the Prime Minister's chair.
Abdul Kalam will show his true colours by doing just that, and ordering the Armed Forces to KILL any Hindu who protests.
Islam showed us its true colours in 1947 (PARTITION) and to America on Sep 11th. last. We should be wiser, not gullible, trusting the ENEMY so much.
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