Unbelievers' Torture Chamber

Date: 27 Mar 2008

Comment:

HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF PEACEFUL AND TOLERANT ISLAM:
Unbelievers' Torture Chamber
 
IN THIS article we shall describe the Islamic Hell or Jahannum which was an imagination of Prophet Mohammed used primarily for two reasons: (1) To have a torture chamber for all the Kafirs (unbelievers and people of other religions). (2) To terrorize people into accepting Islam. The purpose of Hell in Islam is not to punish the Muslim wrong-doers. Because, for them Mohammed will recommend paradise, beautiful virgins and young boys on the Day of Judgment. 
His recommendation is final and Allah cannot deny it. It is available to all murderers, rapists, arsonists, cheats, thugs, pickpockets and pimps provided they are following Islam. On the contrary, a flaming Hell is reserved only for all Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians, no matter how pious and God-fearing they may have been. This article is divided in two sections. The first section deals with the brutal instructions Prophet Mohammed gives to his followers about Kafirs and how to torture, maim and murder them ruthlessly. The second section explains the various procedures devised by Prophet Mohammed's sick imagination for torturing people of other religions in Hell. 
Instructions to Muslims about Unbelievers
Koran 9:29: Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility. So here Prophet Mohammed is instructing a true Muslim to fight people of other religions until the unbelievers debase themselves and pay tax for their existence. So the greatness of Islam is revealed only when followers of other religions are humiliated
Koran 8.12: Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them." [Here Mohammed is giving step-by-step instruction on how to torture and kill Kafirs if they don't follow Islam.].
Koran 9.5: "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." [In this verse Prophet Mohammed is clearly instructing his followers to kill the idolators in any brutal way possible until the idolators submit themselves to Islam. Allah is indeed merciful!!]
Koran 9.73: Prophet, make war on the un-believers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate. [Here Mohammed is trying to justify his brutal acts. He conveniently claims divine justification for the expression of his hatred by saying Allah himself revealed to him personally that people of other religions are evil and belong in Hell. Therefore, according to Mohammed any barbaric act against the unbelievers is completely justified.]
Koran 4.144: Believers, do not choose the unbelievers rather than the faithful as your friends. Would you give Allah a clear proof against yourselves? [This verse clearly states that a Muslim can only befriend a Muslim. Mohammed in order to ensure that his followers will not befriend and get influenced by people of other religions, revealed this verse. This verse illustrates that if a Muslim befriends a Non-Muslim than the wrath of Allah will be on him. Therefore in Islam, people of other religions should be treated with contempt, disrespect and cruelty.]
Koran 4.74: When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens. [In this verse, Mohammed is giving detailed instruction about how to maim and torture unbelievers in Jihad. And finally when the Muslims are satisfied enough after torturing and maiming the unbelievers, they should proceed to demand ransom for the captives. All for the sake for all-merciful Allah!!]
Koran 5.33-34: The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [In this verse, Mohammed devises another recipe for torturing unbelievers. This particular recipe involves chopping off alternate limbs and expelling the Kafirs (people following other religions) out of the land.]
Instructions to Muslims regarding Christians and Jews
PROPHET Mohammed has reserved special position for certain sects of Unbelievers in his so-called "Holy Book" Koran. Those unbelievers are none other than followers of Christianity and Judaism. I have selected few verses from Koran to display what Muslims are taught and instructed as far as treating Christians and Jews is concerned.
Koran 5.51: Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their numbers. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers. [In this verse Prophet Mohammed is clearly instructing his followers never to befriend a Christian or a Jew. Because if they take a Christian or a Jew as a friend, they will commit a wrong deed and Allah's wrath will be on them.]
Koran 5.57: Believers, do not seek the friendship of the infidels and those who were given the Book before you, who have made your religion a jest and a pastime...[Here "those who were given the Book before you" refers to Christians and Jews. Once again Mohammed is warning Muslims of all time never to befriend a Christian or a Jew.]
Koran 5.64: The Jews say: 'God's hand is chained.' May their own hands be chained! May they be cursed for what they say! [Here Prophet Mohammed is showing his deep respect for the Jews!!]
Koran 9.29: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued. [Here 'People of the Book' refers to Christians and Jews. The 'Religion of Truth' refers to Islam. So in the above verse Prophet Mohammed is instructing Muslims to fight and torture Christians and Jews (who do not believe in Islamic version of God) until they pay tax to Muslims for their existence. Muslims are also strictly instructed to make the Christians and Jews feel 'subdued'. Allah is truly benign!!!]
Koran 9.30: The Jews call 'Uzayr - a son of God', and the Christians call 'Christ the Son of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth. [Here Prophet Mohammed is wishing that Allah's curse be on Jews and Christians. And what did the Christians and Jews do for such special favour from Allah? All they did is that out of respect and love, they called their Prophets 'son of God'.]
Islamic Hell and Unbelievers
NOW we will enter the Islamic Hell brought into existence by Mohammed's hallucination and weird imagination.
Koran 98.1-8: The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. [Here "People of The Book" refers to Christians and Jews. So according to Prophet Mohammed, Christians, Jews and pagans are the vilest of all creatures in the world. Islam in deed holds a high respect for people of other religions!!]
Koran 22.19-23: Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!' [Here Mohammed has imagined vividly how people of other religions will be punished in Hell. By his sick and disgusting imagination, he is trying to make sure that people of other religions convert to Islam out of sheer terror of Hell. And if this terror doesn't work, then the Muslims are always instructed to convert unbelievers to Islam brutally by force in Jihad.]
Koran 18.28-30: For the wrongdoers We have prepared a fire which will encompass them like the walls of a pavilion. When they cry out for help they shall be showered with water as hot as molten brass, which will scald their faces. Evil shall be their drink, dismal their resting-place. [Who are the "wrong-doers" here? None other than the people who DO NOT follow Islam. So Prophet Mohammed here continues with his hallucination and gives the description of Islamic Hell in the form of a revelation.]
Koran 40.67-73: Do you not see how those who dispute the revelation of God turn away from the right path? Those who have denied the Book and the message We sent through Our apostles shall realize the truth hereafter: when, with chains and shackles round their necks, they shall be dragged through scalding water and then burnt in the fire of Hell. [Prophet Mohammed here explains what will happen to those people who choose NOT to follow his revelation "Quran", a manual of plunder, rape and murder. So for people of other religions following scriptures other than Quran, Allah has pre-planned punishment. First they shall be dragged through scalding water with chains around their necks and then they will be burnt in the fire of Hell. Allah is truly merciful!!]
Koran 43.74: The unbelievers shall endure forever the torment of Hell. The punishment will never be lightened, and they shall be speechless with despair. We do not wrong, themselves. [Mohammed was not satisfied by just having burnt the unbelievers once in Hell. So here he is saying that the punishment is never-ending and people following other religions will be burnt in Hell forever.]
Koran 55.41-52: That is the Hell which the un-believers deny. They shall wander between fire and water fiercely seething. Which of your Lord's blessing would you deny?
Koran 76.1-5: For the unbelievers We have prepared chains and fetters and a blazing Fire...
Koran 73.12: We have in store for the un-believers heavy fetters and a blazing fire, choking food and harrowing torment: on the day when the earth shall quiver with all its mountains and the mountains crumble into heaps of shifting sand.
 Once again, in the above verses, Mohammed is emphasizing that heavy fetters, choking food and hell fire are in store for the unbelievers while the Muslims enjoy the beautiful virgins and young boys in Islamic Paradise.
Koran 77.20-50: Woe on that day to the disbelievers! Begone to the Hell which you deny! Depart into the shadow that will rise high in three columns, giving neither shade nor shelter from the flames, and throwing up sparks as huge as towers, as bright as yellow camels...Eat and enjoy yourselves awhile. You are wicked men..." [In this verse, Prophet Mohammed is making sure that the people of other religions do not get any shade or shelter when they are burnt up in the Islamic Hell. Allah is also revealing to him that all people other than Muslims are basically wicked in nature.]
Koran 8.73: The unbelievers give aid and comfort to each other. If you fail to do likewise, there will be disorder in the land and great corruption.
 The Great Mohammed divided the Arabian society in two tight compartments: Momins and Kafirs. The word 'Momin' means believer in Mohammed and Allah. In contrast a Kafir is a non-believer. The Momins did not have to be better men than the Kafirs in terms of character or consciousness. Momins had only to recite the Kalima (incantation): "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his Prophet." By doing that the 'Momins' become qualified to kill as many kafirs as they could or pleased, looting and burning their belongings and enslaving their women and children in the process. In the above verse, Prophet Mohammed once again is telling his followers to help each other in banding up against unbelievers (people of other religions)
Koran 21.96-101: ..The unbelievers shall stare in amazement, crying: 'Woe to us! Of this we have been heedless. We have done wrong.' You and your idols shall be the fuel of Hell; therein you shall all go down. [This verse is another instance which displays the deep respect Islam shows towards other religions. Here Prophet Mohammed is stating that people who choose to represent God by idols will be burnt in hell along with their idols. Islam is truly compassionate towards other religions!!]
Koran 33.7-12: ...But for the unbelievers He has prepared a woeful punishment... [Here, we find the same old blabbering by Mohammed once again regarding how un-believers will be punished.]
Koran 44.40-49: ..The fruit of the Zaqqum tree shall be the unbelievers' fruit. Like dregs of oil, like scalding water, it shall simmer in his belly. A voice will cry: 'Seize him and drag him into the depths of Hell. Then pour out scalding water over his head, saying: "Taste this, illustrious and honourable man! This is the punishment which you have doubted."
Koran 52.1-15: ..On that day they shall be sternly thrown into the fire of Hell, and a voice will say to them: 'This is the Fire which you denied...Burn in its flames. It is the same whether or not you show forbearance. You shall be rewarded according to your deeds.'
Koran 52.31-37: And burn ye him in the blazing fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits. This was he that would not believe in Allah Most high and would not encourage the feeding of the indignant. So no friend hath he here this day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds.
Koran 56.52-56: Ye shall surely taste of the tree Zaqqum. Then will ye fill your insides therewith, and drink boiling water on top of it. Indeed ye shall drink like diseased camels raging with thirst. Such will be their entertainment on the day of Requital!
Koran 69.30-37: We shall say: 'Lay hold of him and bind him. Burn him in the fire of Hell, then fasten him with a chain seventy cubits long. For he did not believe Allah the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Today he shall be friendless here; filth shall be his food, the filth which sinners eat...
[The above five verses contain detail description of various kinds of punishments people of other religions will undergo in Islamic Hell. They display the true respect Prophet Mohammed had for people who were not following Islam. And through these verses, Koran (the manual for plunder, rape and murder) which is treated as a timeless scripture by Muslims, teaches how lowly people of other religions should be treated by Muslims regardless of time or space.]
Koran 2.39: Those who reject faith shall be the companions of the Fire.
Koran 2.89-90: The curse of Allah is on the unbelievers... humiliating is the punishment.
Koran 13.13: ..He hurls his thunderbolts at whom he pleases Yet the unbelievers wrangle about Allah..
Koran 58.5: Those who resist Allah and his messenger will be humbled to dust.
Koran 70.15-16: The fire of Hell will pluck out his being right to the skull..
Koran 5.10: As for those who disbelieve and deny our revelations, they are the heirs of Hell.
 The summary of the above six verses is that a person following any religion other than Islam, is automatically assigned to Hell. His good thoughts, good actions or piety are of no value until and unless he follows Islam. So if in this life, a person does not follow Islam and does not believe in Islamic scripture, Allah will store hell-fire, hot water, molten brass, thunderbolts and other humiliating punishments in the life hereafter for him.
Koran 70.39: We have created the unbelievers out of base matters. [So here Prophet Mohammed claims that all the people of other religions are basically useless and evil because they are made up of base matters. But the same people become Allah's favourite and become capable of earning Houris and young boys when they convert to Islam.]                                                                  [www.flex.com]
[The Koranic verses have been taken from works of Abdullah Yusuf Ali and N.J. Dawood]


durgashakti1892@yahoo.com wrote:
you amy not have such a roar but there are plenty of hindus who do
 
have you ever heard sadhvi ritambra or uma bharati

Lal Gehi <lalhgehi@yahoo.com> wrote:
" Do Hindfus have sucha roar ???"


Rameseh Ji,

The Hindus do not have to roar, only lie keeps crying all the time, like " Islam Khatre main ",  to make it sound like the truth, but it fails finally, before the truth. ! 

THE HINDU IS NEVER KHATRE MAIN. !! THE TRUTH IS NEVER IN DANGER. !

Remember, the boat of truth shakes, but never drowns in any storm. !

God bless Bharat, God bless Hindu.

Lal  Gehi


Ramesh Jhalla <rameshjhalla@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: 
23-3-08
 
Both of U amaze me..just amaze me with mind boggling generalisations that ALL Muslims are fundamentalist, non-compromising, rigid, totalitarian !!!
 
By your generalisations 4 presidents, many M.P.s, Justice Chhagla,  would be traitor
and jehadists ??? What about Maulana Abdul Kalam, Sant Kabir, Shirdi Saibaba,  Poet Iqbal..and many pirs and fakirs who also propagated Hinduness.
 
Please nore that there are two versions of Koran..ONE written when Muslims were in minority  which  preached fraternity, tolerance, peace and laerning from other faiths.
 
The SECOND version was written when Muslims gained ascendancy and became 
ruthless.. This version preached violence, rape, lootmar, pillage and whatever evils that are perpetrated in name of Islam.
 
In face of helplessness of Hindus, it will be folly to hammer on and generalise about Muslim and jegadism. !!
 
Don't you see that NO Muslim answers your diatribe !! Why ??..because they know that when time comes, they can answer with THUNDER..a ROAR.!!
 
Do Hindfus have sucha roar ???
 
Ramesh Jhalla
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N Hirani <n_hirani@sky.com> wrote:
 
1)      Islam is evil carried out in Name of God.
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Babu Suseelan 
To: shakti-l@googlegroups.com 
Cc: Bharat Gajjar ; rameshjhalla@yahoo.co.uk ; Narain kataria ; sahani arish ; asnani@giaspn01.vsnl.net.in 
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:37 PM
Subject: [Shakti-L: 1130] The Myth of Moderate Islam




People who advocate "Moderate Islam" are deluded and are Islamic apologists. There is no solid demarcation to separate Fundamentalist-Radical Islam and Moderate Islam. Islam is Islam and Muslims are Muslims. As a fundamentalist, non-compromising, rigid, totalitarian and reductionaist dogma, Islam is divisive and hostile to non Muslims. Muslims are required to strictly follow guidelines established by pedophile MohaMad who was a mass murderer. A Muslim will defend Islam, fight against infidels and pluralistic/spiritual/tolerant values. A Muslim who claim to be a moderate is a snake waiting for the opportunity to strike infidels on behalf of fake Allah. How can a Muslim be a moderate Muslim, a secular Muslim or an Indian first, and a Muslim second.  Islmo fascists and their cohorts put an apologistic mask to promote Islam under disguises. Every Muslim is a hard core Jihadi waiting to slaughter non-Muslims. Islam is incompatible with democracy, will of the public, liberty, civil law, spirituality, tolerance and pluralism. There is no moderaqte-middle ground in Islam. 



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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:44:13 +0000
From: rameshjhalla@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: [Shakti-L: 1126] Re: Re: Islam..total and pure evil....
To: shakti-l@googlegroups.com
CC: bgajjar@comcast.net


20-3-08
 
Hello Professor  Bharat ji,
 
Islam is definitely pure evil, as writings that you have sent.
 
This is not the first time that we read such vicious truths that drive fanatic and fundamentalist Muslims These create global havoc and trauma.
 
But there are moderates and liberal Muslims too who also find such writings obnoxious.These just cower in the shadow of malignant Muslims.
 
Hindu saying that sarva dharma samabhava, or sarvadharma sama adar.. does NOT apply here. 

Such obnoxious teachings and execution by handful fanatics and a few fundamentalists
make others HATE Muslims, whereas it is the Quran that must be hated.
 
But we also have a philosophy that those who live by violence..die by violence. So,we juat have to keep a lookout how violent and malignant Muslims meet sordid end.
 
Hindus have an answer..KALKI avatar..!!!
 
Regards
Ramesh Jhalla
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Bharat Gajjar <bgajjar@comcast.net> wrote:
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: raphal saha 
To: shakti-l@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 7:01 AM
Subject: [Shakti-L: 1052] Re: Fw: [Shakti-L: 837] Re: Islam neccesary evil...


I SINCERELY URGE YOU PEOPLE TO READ THE SCRIPTURES OF THIS CREED WHICH IS ATTACHED AND ALSO THE ONE QUOTED BELOW BY A FELLOW MUSLIM/EX MUSLIM FOR YOUR ENLIGHTENMENT JUST BEFORE YOU PEOPLE MAKE ANY JUDGEMENT ABOUT THIS EVIL CREED OF YOU KNOW WHAT.
Call to the Muslims of the World
From Faith Freedom International
 
Dear brothers and sisters in humanity and Dear Muslims. 
THE tragic incident of September 11 has shocked the world. It is unthinkable how anyone could be so full of hate as to commit such heinous act and kill so many innocent people. We people of Muslim origin are as much shaken as the rest of the world and yet we find ourselves looked upon with suspicion and distrust by our neighbors and fellow citizens. We want to cry out and announce that we are not terrorists, that those who perpetrate such despicable act are murderers and are not part of us. But, in reality, because of our Muslim origin we just cannot erase the stigma of "Islamic Terrorists" from our identity! 
Most Muslims believe: "Islam would never support killing innocent people. Allah of Holy Quran never advocated killings. This is all the work of a few misguided individuals. The real Islam is sanctified against violence. Islam means peace. Islam means tolerance." 
But is it true? Does Islam really preach peace, tolerance and non-violence?  Those Muslims who perpetrate crimes in the name of Allah think differently. They believe that what they do is a Jihad (holy war). They say that killing the unbelievers is mandatory for every Muslim. They do not kill because they break the laws of Islam but because they think this is what a true Muslim should do. Those who blow up their own bodies to kill more innocent people do so because they think they will be rewarded in Paradise. They hope to be blessed by Allah, eat celestial food, drink pure wine and enjoy the company of divine consorts. 
Are they completely misguided? Where did they get this distorted idea? How did they come to believe that killing innocent people pleases God? Or is it that we are misguided? Does Islam really preach violence? Does it call upon its believers to kill the "non-believers" ? We denounce those who commit acts of violence and call them extremists. But are they really extremists or do they actually do what the Holy book of Quran tells them to do? What does the Quran really teach? Have we read the Quran? Do we know what kind of teachings are there? Let us go through some of them and take a closer look at what Allah says. 
What The Qur'an Teaches: 
QURAN tells us to: "not to make friends with Jews and Christians" (5:51), fight them "until they pay the Jizya (a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" ( 9:29).  "kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (2:191), "murder them and treat them harshly" (9:123), "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" ( 9:5). Quran says that all those who disbelieve in Islam go to hell (5:10), they are najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), and orders us to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193). It prohibits a Muslim to befriend a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (9:23), (3:28).  It says that the "non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water" (14:17). It asks the Muslims to "slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have great punishment in the world hereafter" (5:34). And tells us that "for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (22:19-22) and that they not only will have "disgrace in this life, on the Day of Judgment He shall make them taste the Penalty of  burning (Fire)" (22:9).  
Quran says that "those who invoke a god other than Allah not only should meet punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in ignominy" (25:68). For those who "believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!" (48:13).  
As for him who does not believe in Islam the Prophet says that after he dies it will be announced with a "stern command": "Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (69:30-37) 
The holy Prophet prescribes fighting for us and tells us that "it is good for us even if we dislike it" (2:216). Then he advises us to "strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (47:4). Our God has promised to "instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers" and has ordered us to  "smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them" (8:12). and "to strike terror into (the hearts of the enemies" (8:60).  
He has made the Jihad  mandatory and warns us that "Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (9:39). Allah speaks to our Holy Prophet and says "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be stern against them.  Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed" (9:73).  
He promises us that in the fight for His cause whether we slay or are slain we return to the garden of Paradise (9:111). In Paradise he will "wed us with Houris (celestial virgins) pure beautiful ones" (56:54), and unite us with large-eyed beautiful ones while we recline on our thrones set in lines (56:20). There we are promised to eat and drink pleasantly for what we did (56:19). And have sex with "boys like hidden pearls" (56:24) and "youth never altering in age like scattered pearls" (76:19)  
As you see, Allah has promised all sorts of  rewards, gluttony and unlimited sex to Muslim men who kill the unbelievers in his name, not forgetting even those with pedophilic inclinations. We will be admitted to Paradise where we shall find "goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before nor jinni" (56:67-71). 
In the West we enjoy freedom of belief but we are not supposed to give such freedom to anyone else because it is written "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good) (3:85). 
As for women, the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (4:34). It advises men to take a green branch and beat their wives, because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more. (38:44). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (2:228). It not only denies the women's equal rights, it decrees that their witness is not admissible in the courts of law (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Our Holy Prophet allows us to marry up to four wives and he licensed us to sleep with our slave maids and as many 'captive' women as we may have (4:3) even if those women are already married. He himself did just that.  
[A word of warning for those who may find their version of Quran is translated differently from those appearing in this article: Almost all the translators of Quran have deliberately tried to soften the harsh verses of Quran. Yusufali especially goes out of his way to twists the meaning of the words and hide the harshness of Quran.  For example he translates the verse (38:44) that says "take a green branch and beat your wife" as "take a little green grass and strike therewith". Or when he translates the verse (4:34) that says "beat your wife" he cannot help it but to add the word (lightly) in parenthesis.]   
Dear fellow Muslims: Is this the Islam you believe in? Is this your Most Merciful, Most Compassionate Allah whom you worship daily? Could God incite us to kill other peoples? Please understand that there is no terrorist gene but there could be a terrorist mindset. That mindset finds its most fertile ground in the tenets of Islam. Denying it and presenting Islam as a religion of peace similar to Buddhism to the lay public is suppression of truth. The history of Islam between 7th and 14th century is riddled with violence, fratricide and wars of aggression, starting right from the death of the Prophet and during the so-called 'pure' or orthodox caliphate. And Muhammad himself hoisted the standard of killing, looting, massacres and bloodshed. How can we deny the entire history? The behavior of our Holy Prophet as recorded in authentic Islamic sources is quite questionable from a modern viewpoint. The Prophet was a charismatic man but he had few virtues. Imitating him in all aspects of life (following Sunnah) is firstly impossible and secondly dangerous in the 21st century. Why are we so helplessly in denial on this simple issue? 
When the Prophet was in Mecca and he was still not powerful enough he called for tolerance. He said "To you be your religion, and to me my religion" (109:6). This famous quote is often misused to prove that the general principle of Quran is tolerance. He advised his follower to speak good to their enemies (2:83), exhorted them to be patient (Q. 20:103) and said that "there is no compulsion in religion" (2:256). But all that changed drastically when he came to power. Then killing and slaying the unbelievers was justified in innumerable verses with harshness and without mercy. The verses quoted to prove Islam's tolerance ignore many other verses that bear no trace of tolerance or forgiveness. Is it normal that a book revealed by God should have so many serious contradictions? 
The Prophet himself set the example of unleashing violence by invading the Jewish settlements  breaking the treaties he had signed with them and banished some of them after confiscating their belongings massacring others and taking their wives and children as slaves. He inspected the youngsters and massacred all those who had pubic hair along with the men and those who were younger he kept as slaves. He distributed the women captured in his raids among his soldiers keeping the prettiest for himself (33:50). He made sexual advances on Safiyah a Jewish girl in the same day he captured her town, Kheibar, and killed  her father, husband and many of her relatives. Reyhana was another Jewish girl of Bani Quraiza whom he used as sex slave after killing all her male relatives. In the last ten years of his life he accumulated a score of wives, concubines and sex slaves including the nine-year-old Ayesha. 
These are not stories but records from authentic Islamic history and the Hadiths. It can be argued that these behaviors were not unknown or unusual for the conquerors and leaders of the mediaeval world but these are not the activities befitting of a peaceful saint and certainly not of someone who claimed to be the Mercy of God for all the creation. 
There were known assassinations of adversaries during the Prophet's time, that took place at his behest. Among them there was a 120-year-old man, Abu 'Afak whose only crime was to compose a lyric satirical of the Prophet. (Kitab al Tabaqat al Kabir, Volume 2, by Bin Sa'd, page 32)  Then when a poetess, a mother of 5 small children, 'Asma' Bint Marwan, wrote a poetry cursing the Arabs for letting Muhammad assassinate an old man, our Holy Prophet ordered her to be assassinated too in the middle of the night, which was carried out while her youngest child was suckling from her breast. (Sirat Rasul Allah, A. Guilaume's translation, The Life of Muhammad, page 675, 676). 
Dear conscientious Muslims: Question yourselves - isn't this compulsive dogma of following a man who lived 1400 years ago, leading us to doom in this changing world?  Who are we deceiving? See how our Umma (people) have sunk into poverty and how we lag behind the rest of the world? Isn't it because we are following a religion that is outdated and impractical?  In this crucial moment of history, when a great catastrophe has befallen us and a much bigger one is lying ahead, should not we wake up from our 1400 years of slumber and see where things have gone wrong? The hatred has filled the air and the world is bracing itself for its doomsday. Should we not ask ourselves whether we have contributed, unwittingly, to this tragedy and whether we can stop the great disaster from happening? 
Unfortunately the answer to the first question is yes. Yes, we have contributed to the rise of fundamentalism by merely claiming Islam is a religion of peace, by simply being a Muslim and by saying our shahada (testimony that Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his messenger). By our shahada we have recognized Muhammad as a true messenger of God and his book as the words of God. But as you saw, those words are anything but from God. They call for killing, they are prescriptions for hate and they foment intolerance. And when the ignorant among us read those hate laden verses, they act on them and the result is the infamous September 11, the result is human bombs in Israel, massacres in East Timor and Bangladesh, kidnappings and killings in Philippines, slavery and genocide in Sudan, honor Killings in Pakistan and Jordan, torture in Iran, stoning and maiming in Afghanistan and Iran, violence in Algeria, terrorism in Palestine and misery and death in all Islamic countries. We are responsible because we endorsed Islam and hailed it as a religion of God. And we are as guilty as those who put into practice what Quran preaches and ironically we are the main victims too.  
If we are not terrorists, if we love peace, if we cried with the rest of the world for what happened in NYC, then why are we supporting Quran that preaches killing, that advocates holy war, that calls for murder of non-Muslims? It is not the extremists who have misunderstood Islam. They do literally what Quran ask them to do. It is we who misunderstand Islam. We are the ones who are confused. We are the ones who wrongly assume that Islam is the religion of peace. Islam is not a religion of peace. In its so-called pure form it can very well be interpreted as a doctrine of hate. Terrorists are simply doing that and we the intellectual apologists of Islam are justifying it.  
We can stop this madness. Yes we can avert the disaster that is hovering over our heads. Yes we can denounce the doctrines that promote hate. Yes we can embrace the rest of humanity with love. Yes, we can become part of a united world, members of one human family, flowers of one garden. We can dump the claim of infallibility of our Book and the questionable legacy of our Prophet.  
Dear friends, there is no time to waste. Let us put an end to this lie. Let us not fool ourselves. Islam is not a religion of peace, of tolerance, of equality or of unity of humankind. Let us read the Quran. Let us face the truth even if it is painful. As long as we keep this lie alive, as long as we hide our head in the sands of Arabia we are feeding terrorism. As long as you and I keep calling Quran the unchangeable book of God, we cannot blame those who follow the teachings therein. As long as we pay our Khums and Zakat our money goes to promote Islamic expansionism and that means terrorism, Jihad and war.  
Islam divides the world in two parts: Darul Harb (land of war) and Darul Islam (land of Islam). Darul Harb is the land of the infidels, Muslims are required to infiltrate those lands, proselytize and procreate until their number increase and then start the war and fight and kill the people and impose the religion of Islam on them and convert that land into Darul Islam. 
In all fairness we denounce this betrayal. This is an abuse of trust. How can we make war in the countries that have sheltered us? How can we kill those who have befriended us? Yet willingly or unwillingly we have become pawns in this Islamic Imperialism. If this sound to you abhorrent, we ask you how can you support a doctrine that is so deceiving, so cunning and so ruthless? Let us see what  great Islamic scholars have to say in this respect.  
Dr M. Khan, the translator of Sahih Bukhari and the Quran into English wrote: "Allah revealed in Sura Bara'at (Repentance, IX) the order to discard (all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the Pagans as well as against the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizia (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in (9:29). So the Muslims were not permitted to abandon "the fighting" against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are STRONG and have the ability to fight against them. So at first "the fighting" was forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made obligatory." [Introduction to English translation of Sahih Bukhari, p.xxiv.] 
Dr Sobhy as-Saleh, a contemporary Islamic academician, quoted Imam Suyuti the author of Itqan Fi 'Ulum al-Qur'an who wrote: The command to fight the infidels was DELAYED UNTIL THE MUSLIMS BECOME STRONG, but when they were weak they were commanded to endure and be patient. [Sobhy as-Saleh, Mabaheth Fi 'Ulum al-Qur'an, Dar al-'Ilm Lel-Malayeen, Beirut, 1983, page 269.] 
Dr Sobhy, in a footnote, commends the opinion of a scholar named Zarkashi who said: "Allah the most high and wise revealed to Mohammad in his weak condition what suited the situation, because of his mercy to him and his followers. For if He gave them the command to fight while they were weak it would have been embarrassing and most difficult, but when the most high made Islam victorious He commanded him with what suited the situation, that is asking the people of the Book to become Muslims or to pay the levied tax, and the infidels to become Muslims or face death. These two options, to fight or to have peace return according to the strength or the weakness of the Muslims." [ibid p. 270] 
Other Islamic scholars (Ibn Hazm al-Andalusi,  Ga'far ar-Razi, Rabi' Ibn 'Ons, 'Abil-'Aliyah, Abd ar-Rahman Ibn Zayd Ibn 'Aslam, etc.)  agree that the verse "Slay the idolaters wherever you find them" (9:5) cancelled those few earlier verses that called for tolerance in Quran and were revealed when Islam was weak. 
Can you still say that Islam is the religion of peace?
Conclusion:
WE know too well that it is not easy to denounce our faith as it means denouncing a part of ourselves. We are a group of freethinkers and humanists with Islamic roots. Discovering the truth and leaving the religion of our fathers and forefathers was a painful experience. But after learning what Islam stands for, we had no choice but to leave it. After becoming familiar with the Quran, the choice became clear: it is either Islam or it is humanity. If Islam is to thrive, humanity has to die. 
We decided to side with humanity. We are still Muslims culturally but we no more believe in Islam as the true religion of God. We are humanists. We love humanity. We endeavor for the unity of humankind. We work for equality between men and women. We strive for secularization of Islamic countries, for democracy and freedom of thoughts, beliefs and expressions. We have decided not to live anymore in self-deception but to embrace humanity, enter into the new millennium hand in hand with people or other cultures and beliefs in amity and in peace. We denounce the violence that is eulogized in Quran as holy war (Jihad). We condemn killing in the name of God. We believe in sacredness of human life, not in the inviolability of beliefs and religions. And we invite you to join us and the rest of the humanity and be part of the family of humankind with love, camaraderie and peace.
Faith Freedom International 
THIS message was sent by Faith Freedom International to several newspapers for publication. Faith Freedom Foundation is an organization of freethinking Muslims and Secular Individuals who uphold the concept of secular humanism. [www.faithfreedom.org]


Ramesh Jhalla <rameshjhalla@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
19-3-08
 
Thanks for compliment..Muslim are calling shots whereas Hindus are bending backwards to appease Muslims. There are thousands of instances where Hindus can do only when Muslim nods !!!
 
I am trying to hammer sense that Muslim religion acts as a buffer between Hunduness and Non Hindu enemies. SO THAT WARNING MAKES ME A MUSLIM??
 
I SHOULD BE PRAISED FOR WORRYING ABOUT protection to Hindumess !!
 
Hinduness will fall flat if Muslimness is extracted..that is the picture of Bharat today!!!...so go easy.Accept reality and work towards making your dreams real!!!
 
Ramesh Jhalla
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It is just a matter of few years when Muslims wiill dictate from parliament of India. They will be citizens but will dictate due to incease in %age from current 15% to 30%+.
 


Uthistaa Bharaatha <uthistaa@gmail.com> wrote:
for sarvadharma samabhava,,, the other party should be a dharma... I really believe you are a muslim to the core, only your name for the sake of this group is that of a hindu name. what is your problem???

unfortunately we have politicians who think like you even in bjp.

look positively??


On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 1:04 AM, Ramesh Jhalla <rameshjhalla@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

18-3-08
 
Naran ji,
 
Talking about destruction of any religion is a great PITY!!! Where is your sarvadharma samabhava and vasudeiva kutumbakam slogan ???
 
Look positively, Islam acts as a buffer between Hinduness and Christianity. When Islam is removed..Hindus will come in DIRECT clash with Christians.

For long term suvival of Hinduness, Islam is an essential ..call it evil or good !!! Just see where is Hinduness after thousands of years of  NO COMPETITION.. it is not able to or do not want to defend itself due to sheer blind trust in anti Hindu forces !! Hindus keep on chanting above two slogans without understanding hostile and destructive moves of anti Hindus. !!!
 
Ramesh Jhalla
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N Hirani <n_hirani@sky.com> wrote:
You have Given up, at least now pray for destruction of Islam.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ramesh Jhalla 
To: shakti-l@googlegroups.com 
Cc: Bharat Gajjar 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 7:46 PM
Subject: [Shakti-L: 904] Re: Fw: [Shakti-L: 837] Re: Sorry..Hindus unity ???


17-3-08
 
Professor,
 
U seem to have heads buried in sands of unrealism. What I am mentioning is reality..had and cold..whether I am a Muslim or Hindu..it does not matter..I simply pity capable peoples like you refusing to see the fact.
 
India has Hindu muscles bit Muslim nerves..Hindu body but Muslim mind..Hindu heart but Muslim blood..
 
Did you not see the holocuast when Hindus and Muslims tried to tear apart during partition ??? They did not kill eachother after death of Aurangzeb and during Brts rule..but one effort to separate them..and millions died..thank to Jinnah.
 
Only progress is via co operation and harmony of both. 
 
This is what my HINDUNESS has taught me. I have travelled all over India..from Delhi to Mysore and Baroda to Bhillai..but never saw Hinduness promoted by state or central govt..but saw Islamism pronted with gusto.
 
I am born again Muslim??...the whole India is.getting Islamised and Hindus just revel in phiolosophy that truth is NOT to be protected !!!
 
Ramesh Jhalla
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Bharat Gajjar <bgajjar@comcast.net> wrote:
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: shiv ram 
To: shakti-l@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:59 AM
Subject: [Shakti-L: 837] Re: Sorry..Hindus unity ???


Mr. Ramesh Jhalla is a born again Muslim, with a Hindu name. He is the weakness of the Hindu society. We don't need people like him anymore.


On 3/16/08, Ramesh Jhalla <rameshjhalla@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: 
16-3-08
 
Hello,
 
Hindus and unite ??? 
 
Never..since the days of chanakya till now !! 
 
Secondly, Hindus have accepted Muslims as integral part of India's fabric. Those who are capable do NOT act, or do not want to act, in favor of Hindus if Mulsims do not benefit.They believe that Muslims who are outwardly of practicing Islam, are in afct Hindus by ancestory. So they believe that they are doing favour to Hindus in Muslim skin.

Even many Hidu spiritual aspects are heavily tinted with Muslim ethos. Muslim leement WILL NOT go away..so make the best of it while Hindu-sun shines.
 
Ramesh Jhalla
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Pichumani Ramachandran <pichumanir@yahoo.com> wrote:
hi, i  dont  agree with mr.ramesh.  It is not the  support of  muslims  required for getting  the matter cleared but the unity of the  hindus to  stop the  arrogance  of certain muslimswith the  support of the govt   as seen in chennai. yes  the govt is also averse to hindus excpet  for votes.
pmani

Ramesh Jhalla <rameshjhalla@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
15-3-08
 
Ram Gopal ji,
 
You seem to be blind to the fact that Hindu Muslim unity is kept ongoing even by BJP till TODAY. Many BJP candidates though hostile to Muslims openly, seek Muslim votes via back door.
 
Did you not see that a small event like  FACT exhibition in Chennai, flopped for lack of Muslim cooperation ??
 
Don't you know that Ramjanmabhoomi temple is stuck by opposition by AIMPLB ??
 
Howsoever much we may belittle Muslims, they are as essential as invisible oxygen to Hindus and Hindustan.
 
Wherever Muslims decided to nod, Hindu projects suceeded.
 
In south India HINDU pilgrimage to Lord Ayappa temple begins from a MOSQUE and ends there !!! Palace of Tipu is ore looked aftr by tourism authority than Vishnu temple.
 
Get off your high horse and accept that Hindustan cannot survive unless Hindu Muslim unity is promoted. Muslims may be backward, live in days of Koran, fanatic and unreasonable zealots..but they form invisible muscle of India.
 
The more I read anti Muslims propaganda, more I feel that Hinduness is WEAK.
 
My Hinduness cries at the fact even Jain, Sikhs, ISKCON, Arya samaj etc dissocaite from the very word HINDU. And you feel that such ethos can make Hindu strong ???
 
Ramesh Jhalla.
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ramgopal gupta <ramgopal_94@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear friend,
 
          From the writings of Mr. Ramesh Jhalla that I have read, I find that he is a Nehru-Gandhian, who wanted Hindu-Muslim unity, by taking both to the polity of Mughals kings of the medieval period, when the political power was in the hands of the Muslims and economic power was with Hindus. 
 
Yours,
Ram Bhai

durgashakti1892@yahoo.com wrote:
does anyone in this group know jhalla personally
 
it is obviouse he wants hindus to remain coolies forever

Ramesh Jhalla <rameshjhalla@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
11-3-08
 
Jyotishi ji,
 
U R in fantasy land. Do you not realise that as soon Hindu rashtra is declared ..then non Hindus like Christians and Muslims can declare unilateral independence ??
 
Do you not know that in many north Indian states Muslims are 35%+
Also in many north eastern states, Christians have created a NO GO area for Hindus  ???
 
Do you think they will accept Hindus as rulers ? Will they obey Hindus ???We are not living in Bharat of Ram or Manu or even Chankya !!!
 
Ramesh Jhalla
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Jyotishi <jyotish2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

I recommend that we create an activist
organization to accomplish the task of declaring
Bharat a Hindu nation.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi 
Om Shanti 

J G Arora wrote: 
> 
> Logically, Bharat should be declared a Hindu
nation
> . . . 
> Accordingly, all pro-Hindu individuals and
> organizations should join hands
> to transform India into a Hindu Republic of
> Bharat by all peaceful,
> constitutional and lawful means.
> 
> With regards,
> J.G. Arora



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