Date: 31 Dec 2011


Dear Dr. \\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ We might have difference of opinion on understanding the history of India and that depends how much one has done any reading not only by Indian writers but also by many deeply interested historains of India. When a person fails to see beyond a certain view and tells others being confused, it shows not only lack of others view point but also trying to shut the participant down. I am still learning though I have lived through the history of Gandhi and partition you are trying to depict. I know first hand and well aware of those dark days. One can blame Nehru for not let the photograph to save nation from more bloodshed but are you aware that a train of such dead bodies was exchanged for such a train .Yes that is true and wonder what else could have happened if such photos were published. People in Amritsar and other places saw it. There was no ban of going to platforms when these trains came. You will not understand this I still get nightmares after almost 65 years. It is easy to state that one finds the loss when one looses ones own. This very statment shows lack of any humanity. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Coming back to your statement that thousands were at the door of PM so what. Will India surrender if thousands of Muslim sit on the door step of PM and ask Kashmir to be given to Pakistan. what a defeatist attitude and thus shows no spine of the nation and that is why Terrorist has openly attacked Indian Parliament and Mumbai. We cannot hide behind such foolish acts and come back to typical our Indian attitude chalta hai bhai. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Now let me ask a simple question about Ayoudhya fiasco and don't misunderstand me , What did the nation gained by such demolition except created more fear and killings. Same of Godhra incident . What happened to that temple. What was the big hurry why could one not sit and talk to buy the abandon masjid? Where was Hindu psyche for this act for centuries when this building was erected. Will the truth of us being enslaved and ruled by Muslim disappear from the history books.Has LK ADVANI who went and praised Jinnah been able to bring peace to nation or is this the Hindu Agenda to creat more fear and live oneself in fear and start Gobble style propaganda against minority. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ . If you read Gandhi and his philosophy on education of the nation, we all be spinning thread for our langoti and no one will be working on agriculture and forget the industry. There are so many subjects about Gandhi I can discuss. This very notion that Gandhi got us freedom is very misleading as British had become a bankrupt nation and did not have even enough funds to pay the British officers. Read the letter of Punjab Governor where he openly states that he has already shipped his officers home since he has no funds to pay.Gandhi 1942 Quit worked against him and it was that period that India worked along with his masters and left a claim of 2.5Billion Pounds sterling debt for England. It was this time that around 2 million Indians joined the army. Jinnah took advantage of foolishness of Gandhi and utilised his position to send more Muslim in the army and Churchill misled Roosevelt about number of divisions of Muslims. Do you anything about Roosevelt efforts for freedom of India or has this been kept aside so that one can only read of Gandhi \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ I am surprised on your statement that Shastri refused PL480 for national security. How does any nation loose her security when she is starving to death. Do you think that a starving nation can fight ? No it was same old East India syndrome Shastri followed Nehru Bolshevik thinking. Russian influence played a very big role on what you write about Shstry but thank God USA had more humanitarian feelings that she sent the shipment and I was shocked the grain being wasted at the port of Calcutta . \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ It is a dream that because of Russia USA didn't come, You forget that USA was already fighting in Vietnam.Yes I am well aware of refugees in Calcutta as I visited those camps and spent most of the time in Calcutta.Gen. Arora and few os us had dinners and discussed many issues.I know Jacob and his family and have met him. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Are you aware that Russia asked for large sums of funds and we paid through our nose for getting veto power or any votes from them. Read one of KGB officers book published in India where he tells you that how for 25 years they ran India and sent 5000 articles of misinformation whcih most of people swallowed with hook and crook.. Why did India paid the old Ruble price after fall of Russian communist empire or see how Russia abused heer frienship by giving a burnout carrier and now asked for 3 Billions to furnish. We have no friends around the world because we donot like others and crib all the time wihout looking deep into our own psyche. How come India has no friends even in the neighborhood. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\\\ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- \\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Dear Mr. Shadi. You understand the Indian history as you please. Where did I say that Gandhi did good to the nation at all? It is your thinking not able to understand the broader picture. There are some good authors in the west. They portray India in right light. Majority have subtle way of writing about India. You keep to your views of historical events. Yes you might have been with Gen Arora. I have met General JFR Jacob in a lecture on India's defence my understanding is that "Lieutenant General JFR Jacob (Jacob-Farj-Rafael Jacob) Lieutenant General (retired) of the Indian Army. He is widely known in India as a member of the military who orchestrated behind India's successful liberation of Bangladesh in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Any way you may have better knowledge of the events and history. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU TOO. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Dr. Ambekar. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ On 31 Dec 2011, at 15:30, XXXXXXXXXX wrote: Dear \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ It is evident from letter that you dont wish to debate but force your views by calling confused and other names.it is well know that when people fail to accept truith they become more forceful by calling names. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ You dont wish to read a well known Historian who has written about India's greatness but are stuck with people like Kirplani. I recall his visit to Karachi years ago before partition and telling sindhis to kick out non sindhi businessmen.These people were all self achievers and selfish as was Gandhi.\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Tell me what has Gandhi to do with Khilfat movement or do you know what it was? As I said arrival of Gandhi was the start of decapitation of India. Are you aware that Gandhi arrival from Noakhali ion New Delhi after partition, he never visited a single Refugee camps but only Purana Qilla w3here muslims were waiting to be evacuated to Pakistan? Do you know that he was the cause of Jalianwala Bagh massacre. I would request you read history and dont get carried away with already brain washed by Gandhi. He could not even look after his own family. Read how he played tricks with poor Indians in S.Africa and misled the people. Read how a Pathan beat him up for his this treachery. As for 1971 read the recent publications of documents about what USA did or not. I was at Calcutta with Gen. Arora and it was found that only one carrier was at Singapore and not for any threat to India. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Any person who can blame the nation who saved us from starvation and finds excuses to blame the PL480 and only looks from the eyes of What Russians misinformation cannot judge. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ You have a long way to learn what world and history is ? Your definition of xenophobic of Hitler genocide shows me the true knowledge. Read the history of Holocaust and find out what it means before you reply me as I see there are lot of empty sports in knowing the true history and that is why I said you are writing with a false pride. Gandhi was and will be proved an anti Hindu in due time and young one are questioning about his sanity already. I presume you donot wish to read foreign writers and well known historian because truth might open the eyes .\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ I also suggest read about Nagpur and other Congress sessions of Lucknow,Karachi etc. and find out how Gandhi to stay in power let the people down. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ I would have liked to continue the debate but when one decides to call others confused and not ready to open one mind and learn the true history, one has to be wasting time. I wrote you that I have lived through the partition and was follower of Gandhi till I saw his evil doings from partition on.You wish to worship him, that is your right and you wish to create panic and hate with few incidents here and there , that is your business. Sorry I am not in trade of Hate mongering and thus donot follow the killings of other students abroad as you track of Hindus only. May I suggest that since there had been more killings in austerial of Indians to find out what is the reason and not just being killed being Hindus. Why Indians are hated there?" HAPPY NEW YEAR Shadi \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- \\\\\\\\\\\\\] Indian Student Killed \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ On 31 Dec 2011, at 02:06, XXXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Dear Mr. Ambekar, \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ When one reads yours writing and tries to justify the insecurity by giving such example, it is evident that you have to justify your writings. I do not need to justify any thing to you personally there are people to judge what I say and write. I am not paid by any one to justify one or other. Let people decide. You are the first one asking me to justify.You forget that Indiana are not the only who get shot in foreign countries but others nationals dies too. Can you give me few examples of German, US, UK, Japanese, Chinese students being killed in western world. I would like to know few.What is the point of creating this fear in the nation along with HATE except showing your xenophobic views.. I do not know what is your definition of xenophobic? I understand the killings of Jews by Hitler was called as xenophobic. Do you think that giving few names justify your condemning the whole world?. Killings in Australia, America UK New zealand are few examples where Indian students were killed. Hindus or Indian are not the only one but since our press and people like you wish to create and atmospher of haate and fear, you will take that case. Please give me some names and places where American, British, Chinese and Japanese or German students have nee killed by other nationals? Have they been killed in India, Middle east. There have been cases of mass murders in their own nations by their own people not by foreigners. Be honest and read more about Indian history. I do not know your origins and your background. I am Indian Hindu and have studied indian history. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ I am sorry to say that like other millions of Indians we all had been brain washed with Gandhi and his views. If you think I have been brainwashed by Gandhi's writings than you need to correct your understanding. When did Gandhi protect the Hindu community in his life?Read his own writings in his own paper . The day he arrived in India he laid the Foundation stone of decapitation of \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ India and we saw the killings in India from 1946 Direct Action Day. I have read his views even before 1946. I think you have confused mind and do not understand the Indian perspective since Gandhi's taking over of Congress Party after 1920 ( After the death of Bal Gangadhar Tilak). Gandhi had absolute control over the organisation and he destroyed any one who opposed to his way of thinking.If you wish to red more about Gandhi and his true nature may I suggest one book by Arthur Herman called Gandhi Churchill and it is available in India. I am not sure of Arthur Herman's writings BUT I would advise you to read " Gandhi- His life and Thought" by Archarya J.B. Kripalani. Kripalani was associated with Gandhi until his death and seen Gandhi closely. I do not know about Arthur Herman. I do not want to know the views of Churchill about India and Gandhi. I have read it first hand writing of Churchill's secretary. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Gandhi involvement with Ali Brothers on Khlafat movement despite Jinnah advice is a good example. One should not forget that during 1st WW he used to follow the recruiting band to get soldiers for the King. I know all that history and what happened in Nagpur Session when Mr. Jinnah attacked Gandhi for supporting Caliphate ( Khilapat) movement. Ali Brothers got up to beat Jinnah and Gandhi just stood there as a spectator. His trusted soldiers Ali Brothers joined Jinnah once Jinnah took over the control of cudgel of Muslim league Party and then threatened Gandhi that If Amir of Afghanistan attacks India we will support him. My dear friend Indian history has deep divisions of betrayal.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ His 1942 Quit India movement was a treason to his masters. His continuous anti India acts are many to describe\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Plese read how he tried to destroy Jinnah and later Subhas chander Bose. I have read the history you do not need to tell me about Gandhi Read also How Nehru declared that if subhas Bose bring his army to India he will go after him with sword. There is a lot of materials to read if you have time and learn. I think this must be your latest understanding I have known this since my childhood, what Nehru and Gandhi did to the nation. You do not need to tell it now. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ The partition of India cannot be justified by any act of Gandhi. His treachery to give 50 Crores to Paksitan while India is fighting a war in Kashmir is a living example. You can worship him but in my book he was the biggest Desh Drohi. Read about his behavior to his wife and his children \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Are you aware that today India is divided on Linguistic basis and why? Who did this? Read about another anti India act. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ As for Nehru he crated Permit Raj and destroyed the private enterprises and industry for which we are still suffering. Look around how much bribery and corruption is in PSU and electric boards. I can write a book on the destruction of a nation by few of these ever loving netas. I do not know who you are trying to tell all this. I have known the facts for long time. As I said you have a confused mind. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ We are well aware of all the incidents and one has to learn first the diplomatic rules and exemptions and not just shout. Her case was she was not acting on any official duty and thus like any congressman and senators are treated she was given the right treatment. Yes I agree that certain kind of education for security people iws there but India cannot dictate othr nations and such hue and cry and writings about our security will search etc. or tit for tat shows lack of self respect. Indian security is well known and even and MP can slap and walk in with other people. We have to get off the horse of VIP.It is funny your compression of Kennedy with Gavasker You conveniently excluded the Rajiv Gandhi episode. This shows your understanding. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ I am sorry that when one looks back at the history of these 2 nations and finds how much abusive wse have been despite USA coming to help when needed like 1962 war or food shipment during our worst days, we forget and keep harping against West and USA. Yes I know the shipment of PL480 which was signed by Nehru with JFKennedy. Do you know Why this PL480 provisions of Food Grains by US was refused by a patriot like Lal Bahadur Shastri? READ EVERY THING ABOUT THE ARTICLE PL480 provisions by US how it was interlinked with Indian security. How short memory you have what happened when Indira Gandhi went to war in 1971? President Nixon sent the Seventh Fleet in Bay of Bangal to support East Pakistan. It was Russia at the time supported Indira Gandhi and warned Nixon to keep away from Indian's internal affairs of Refugees flooding in India from East Pakistan. My dear friend you are quick to say what US did to India under PL480 But did not take consigned account of India's sovereignty. Lal Bahadur Shastri did. Get mature my friend. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Yes India was a great nation and thus HAD open doors and allowed others to come for refuge but now it is not the same nation bu has become xenophobic and hateful and thus a very closed society and thus such narrow thinking ,As for Kashmiri pundists living in Jummu is a shameful act but no party have the guts to do anything. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ You mention about RSS and bombs. Was this party not responsible for Killing Gandhi? Here again you have exhibited your immaturity. Have you read the letters between Sardar Vallabh Bhai and Nehru on the Issue of Gandhi's Killings? If not read it. Sardar Vallabh Bahi exonerated RSS from Gandhi Murder after thorough investigations. It was Nehru who on the advise of his masters involved RSS and Veer Savarkar in this case.Dr. Ambedkar as a Law Minster suggested Nehru not to involve Veer Savarkar but Veer Savrakar was sworn enemy of British Rule in India. Nehru listened to his "His Masters Voice" Hindus are a coward people and can only talk andf talk but nothing else and raise hue and cry like this letter. This exhibits your lack of understanding of India History. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ You mention one is effected when near and dear dies, terll that to millions who lost theior loved one at time of partition a Gift by Gandhi to nation. Yes again your understanding has controversies Where did I praise Gandhi in my mail? I have friend who's father is not alive now has said that He has seen the train coming fromPakistan with the garland of heads of innocent children killed because they were hindus. Nehru stopped press people taking photos and giving publicity in India. Here is a simple case of NDA/BJP govt and read my last name KATYAL and tell me if it brings back the memory of a young newly married one killed on hijack flight and how India behaved like sheep and gave Million of Rupees and released worst terrorist. That is what I meant. I have lived through Partition and know first hand the value of life.Your such words"when own near and dear are killed you will realise"shows the frame of mind Have I ever supported such actions in any of mails any time any where? You should have seen the the thousands of people protesting at Attal Bihari Vajyapee's residence, requesting him to release the three terrorist to bring back their near and dear. What a PM can do if the Nation does not support. One gets what one asks. Shadi\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] Indian Student Killed \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ It is this kind of insecurity that we create such hue and cry. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ How many US, UK, Germany, Chinese, Australian, Japanese students are killed in US, UK or other developed western nations. You can count the Number of Indians killed in Australia, America and UK you will find it yourself. I am not saying all are Hindu's but they are all Indians. The recent killing had nothing to do with our being non violence and Gandhi's preaching. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Mahatma Gandhi condemned any killings except Hindus after partition and before partitions in Mopla, Calcutta massacres, Naukhali and Tiperra. One needs to read history of non-vioelance of Gandhi Ji and Bal Gangadhar Tilak and other leaders of Independence movement like Veer Savarkar, Netaji Subhashchandra Bose. This is not the place and time to write down the whole history. Gandhi was the biggest killer of humanity at time of partition and local riots and killings in the nation donot prove that we are follower of non violence. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ You are right in your assessment that the reason why the present Government (Follower of Non-violance) are not doing any thing against the Terrorists and Jihadi's as well as had repealed the POTA as soon as they came to power in 2004. Is it a policy of Non-violence or appeasement? USA did apologise and people involved were taken to ask but we also must learn that every nation has her own laws when it comes to security. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Rightly said, slap a person knowingly and than apologise. Meera Shankar an Indian Diplomat in spite of saying that she is a diplomat was frisked ( probably she did not speak American English or the security personal thought because she was in sari she could not speak English. You are right that Security persons have to do their duty or they must be uneducated or did not know the international rules of security of Geneva convention of Diplomatic immunity to Ministers, ex-Presidents. We as Indian are very good in giving excuses rather than find the facts. Is it our greed for money or reasons for it or is it our mentality? I am just asking. Even Senator Kennedy whose name and face was well known was denied because of some mix up but we scream as we are picked up as special. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Yes that happened to Sunil Gavaskar at Lords a security man stopped him from entering the grounds. Rajiv Gandhi was asked to show his identity as well. Sunil Gavaskar refused the Honorary membership of MCC when offered. The person who asked the ID of Rajiv Gandhi was removed form his service. His duty was to check the identity of every individual as stated by his won employer. But kindly observe our own behavior and our narrow thinking. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Had the thinking of Indians been narrow, they would not given refuse to Parsees and Jews when they were persecuted in their own nations and Kashmiri Pandits would not have been refugees in their own country? We purposely pick such minor incidents to keep the pot boiling well the nation has many problems. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ You are right that such minor incidents you must read the comments of Bishop of London Richard Chartres on 9/11. Just one incident. When your own near and dear is killed you will realise ( God forbid this should never happen.) t is time to grow up and face the true nature of the world and how it operates. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ We are growing for the last 64 years only person who is Anti-India is Hindu at the moment How many Bombs were exploded by RSS, or other Hindu Organisation? How many terrorist attacks have been carried out by Hindu Extremists? How many plains highjacked or Airports blasted by Hindus world wide? We are growing up every day still Hindus are Fundamentalists. On 30 Dec 2011, at 15:58, devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com wrote: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Shadi Ji, Thank you for expressing your views on the subject under discussion I agree with what you have said.. Dr Ambekar is a valued contributor on these links and over the period I have come to acknowledge him as one who is most vociferous and devoted to the Hindu causes. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Unfortunately, the recent cold blooded racially motivated murder in Manchester in which a Hindu student was the victim. Dr Ambekar's writing gave the impression that the murderer not only knew the religion of the student but also knew that the Hindus are a sitting duck. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ For the Indian diaspora, in a country of his adoption, it is not a fight between an Asian of one religion against an Asian of another religion but a fight for the survival and the protection of all of us against the active racial elements that exists in this otherwise peaceful white society. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\ Indian Student Killed XXXXXXXXXXXXX \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ We are a nation where our own self respect is so low that we feel whole world is against us. It is unfortunate that students get killed while studying abroad but the fact is that no one takes purposely shots at Indians. It is this kind of insecurity that we create such hue and cry. The recent killing had nothing to do with our being non violence and Gandhi's preaching. Look at the history of India.Gandhi was the biggest killer of humanity at time of partition and local riots and killings in the nation donot prove that we are follower of non violence. It is common in human beings that when one is hungry or frustrated with living conditions, he is angry and thus some of the fights etc.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ USA did apologise and people involved were taken to ask but we also must learn that every nation has her own laws when it comes to security. Even Senator Kennedy whose name and face was well known was denied because of some mix up but we scream as we are picked up as special. But kindly observe our own behavior and our narrow thinking. We purposely pick such minor incidents to keep the pot boiling well the nation has many problems. It is time to grow up and face the true nature of the world and how it operates. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Regards Shadi \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Can you please explain what was the message you were giving when you said " Indians are easy targets anywhere in the world. Christians and Muslims are not easy targets. Our teaching of non violence in the face of extreme violence as Mahatma Gandhi preached is responsible for being easy target." Can you be specific as to which Indian in your view was the easy target. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Regarding frisking, he might be your Ex President or ex Defence Minister, but to the security man he is an air passenger. So he gets the same treatment as others air passengers do. Regarding the Chinese woman citizen, you did not say who did the body search. If it was a male then obviously, it was a matter for apologosing \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ From: Madhukar Ambekar <madhukar_ambekar@me.com> To: devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com Cc: "media_monitor5@yahoogroups.com" <media_monitor5@yahoogroups.com>; Dr. MadhukarAmbekar <madhukar_ambekar@mac.com> Sent: Friday, 30 December 2011, 9:56 Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] Indian Student Killed \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ I did not say A Hindu but an Indian ( Indian origin who's looks are from the sub-continent) not like an Arab, Chinese or Japanese or Portuguese, Spanish or US. It was clear from his appearance that he and his nation is not a threat as well. An Indian Ex-Defence Minister gets body search, similarly Indian Ex-President gets frisking as well as a resident Diplomat nothing happens BUT one Chinese women citizen (Not even Diplomat) gets body search and the Nation apologises to China. Does it indicate any thing to you? Be honest. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ On 30 Dec 2011, at 07:13, devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com wrote: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ It was a hate crime, racially motivated The victim was clearly at the wrong place at the wrong time.. Did the killer know that he was killing a Hindu and not a Muslim or Christian.I ask?? All Asians look the same to the white native.and what do you think a Muslim or a Christian would have done to avert the tragedy which the poor Hindu victim failed to do?? \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ From: Dr. Madhukar Ambekar <drmnambekar@yahoo.co.uk> To: Madhukar Ambekar <drmnambekar@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2011, 11:36 Subject: [media_monitor5] Indian Student Killed \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Witnesses describe last moments of Indian student shot dead in UK ‘for not answering question’ For detailed News Check the URL http://www.samachar.com/Witnesses-describe-last-moments-of-Indian-student-shot-dead-in-UK-for-not-answering-question-lm3pLEbfaaf.html\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ My Comment\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Dear All\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Indian's are easy targets any where in the world. Christians and Muslim are not easy targets. Our teaching and following of Non-violence in the face of extreme violence, as Mahatma Gandhi preached, is responsible for being easy target. There is another angle to "Tolerance" as expressed by the Bishop of London Mr. Richard Chartres in response to 9/11. His comments in "Readers Digest November 2001" issue are " Indiscriminate tolerance undermines the will to resist the terrorist". 9/11 was the first such attack in western world. In this case is hardened criminal. I suppose. Dr. Ambekar 000000000